SMP Client, Folding dgn Multicore Processor

[tamaboy]

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Bro gw cuma mau bagi pengalaman aja coba coba folding dengan multicore computer.

Kebetulan, computer yg gw pake dikantor adalah computer dengan processor dual core yaitu Core2duo E6400. Karena gw liat di websitenya stamford ada software yang khusus dibuat untuk folding dengan multicore makanya gw coba coba dan hasilnya sbb :

- donlot softwarenya disini
- ikuti petunjuk instalasinya seperti ini

  
Detailed Installation Instructions

 
 Windows Installation Instructions (Console)

 
In addition to the instructions below, we also suggest you check out instructions on the FAH wiki. 
 Installation instructions are also included with the client download in a readme.rtf file. 
 Note: The account under which the client runs MUST have a password. Blank passwords will cause the FAH cores to fail. 
 1. Required Software: The Windows SMP client requires the Microsoft .NET framework v2.0; please install this on Windows 2000 and Windows XP systems prior to installing the client. The version 2.0 framework is required; it can co-exist with other versions, but this version must be installed. It can be obtained from Microsoft at the following URL: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en. Administrator privileges are required for installation. 
 Note: Windows Vista already includes the necessary .NET files. 
 2. Required Files:  Run the self-extracting FAH Client installer to unpack the SMP client files. 
 Note: For Windows Vista, install the client to C:\Users\\FAH If you intall to the C:\Program Files\... directory tree, the client may not run if UAC is not disabled. 
 3. Required Install:   Run install.bat from within the SMP install directory to complete the installation. This will install MPI services that the client needs. If you have Windows Firewall enabled, you may get a pop-up window asking if you should give access to the smpd and mpiexec programs. Grant access. If you use an alternate firewall product, you will likely have to make a similar exception for smpd. 
 Note: To run install.bat correctly in Windows Vista, you must open a command window as Administrator, and navigate to the SMP directory. Run the install.bat file from that command line location. 
 Note: The username and password you provide for mpiexec should be your Windows login that you will run the client under. This is used for authentication on your local machine. It is cached in encrypted form in your Registry and is not transmitted to FAH servers. And if you change your password, you will need to run install.bat again. 
 At the end of the install process, you should see two lines of output: 
 
 If you see this twice, MPI is working
 If you see this twice, MPI is working
If you do not see these lines, do not start the client. MPI is not successfully installed, and the client will not run successfully. 
 4. Execution Required: Run fah.exe to start the SMP client. You will get another pop-up firewall window. Note that you will need the -smp flag for the 6.22 client and -smp -deino for the Deino version of 6.22. See this wiki page for creating shortcuts with flags.  
 The 6.22 client binary works with both MPICH and Deino MPI libraries The default is to use optimizations for MPICH. To use Deino optimizations (typically yielding better performance when then Deino libraries are installed), call with -smp and also -deino. 
 Note: We do not officially support running the SMP client as a service, although people have found the following to work:
.NET 2.0 & Windows SMP Client must be installed from the same account with full administrator privileges.
using the -configonly flag, say "yes" to services question & configure everything else as you normally would. Do not start the client yet.
Open the services control pannel, go to the new FAH WinSMP service & open the properties and click the Log On tab. Select Log On As: This Account (instead of Local System Account), put the user name for the account under which .NET 2.0 and the SMP client were installed. Enter the password.
Reboot.  The SMP client will automatically start in service mode.
See the forum link for more details. 
 

  How to upgrade the Windows client from a previous version

 
Thanks to Xilikon for these instructions.
Make a new FAH directory on C: or any other drive.
Unzip the package in the new folder you just created.
Open the command prompt window (you can type cmd.exe in the search box). Under Vista, you need to either disable UAC or run as Administrator to make it work.
Move to the folder with CD.
First run install.bat to instal MPICH.
Type "Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -configonly" (some people like to first rename the exe to fah6.exe to make less typing) then configure it to your needs.
Start the client with "Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe -smp". The -smp flag is necessary unless you already added it in the advanced flags during configuration.
A full installer just merely creates a new folder, add the executable and add a uninstaller. 
 For the upgrade :
Stop the current client by pressing CTRL+C.
Open your current folder (that you used to run 5.91/5.92 smp client).
Either rename or delete the old Fah executable.
Unzip/copy the new 6.22beta2 executable in the same folder.
run the new executable with the -configonly flag then check the config (there are some new fields to add).
Restart the client as usual.
The "test folder" mentioned above is just the folder where you run the smp client.

- pertama kali install gw dapet error kaya gini

--- Opening Log file [May 16 06:56:18] 


# SMP Client ##################################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 5.91beta

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: D:\Folding@Home\SMP
Executable: D:\Folding@Home\SMP\fah.exe


[06:56:18] Configuring Folding@Home...


[06:57:40] - Ask before connecting: No
[06:57:40] - Use IE connection settings: Yes
[06:57:40] - User name: tamaboy.id (Team 38608)
[06:57:40] - User ID: 6AD567B071058483
[06:57:40] - Machine ID: 1
[06:57:40] 
[06:57:40] Work directory not found. Creating...
[06:57:40] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[06:57:40] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[06:57:40] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:57:40] - Connecting to assignment server
[06:57:46] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[06:57:46] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[06:57:46] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[06:57:46] - Error: Attempt #1  to get work failed, and no other work to do.
             Waiting before retry.
[06:58:06] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:58:06] - Connecting to assignment server
[06:58:07] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[06:58:07] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[06:58:07] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[06:58:07] - Error: Attempt #2  to get work failed, and no other work to do.
             Waiting before retry.
[06:58:30] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:58:30] - Connecting to assignment server
[06:58:31] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[06:58:31] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[06:58:31] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[06:58:31] - Error: Attempt #3  to get work failed, and no other work to do.
             Waiting before retry.
[06:59:01] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:59:01] - Connecting to assignment server
[06:59:02] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[06:59:02] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[06:59:02] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[06:59:02] - Error: Attempt #4  to get work failed, and no other work to do.
             Waiting before retry.
[06:59:47] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:59:47] - Connecting to assignment server

Folding@Home Client Shutdown at user request.

Folding@Home Client Shutdown.

gw ngga' tau masalahnya kenapa tp sepertinya ada masalah dengan koneksi internetnya, setelah tanya tanya dengan bro di forum ini dan coba coba ternyata skr berhasil. thx to bro dinand, oneeqi dan lainnya yang membantu.

- gw coba cek di taskmanager brp process sih yang dijalanin di system
ternyata yang jalan adalah 4 process
dan gw juga coba apakah SMP Client ini bisa jalan bareng dengan core untuk single core ternyata bisa jalan juga, dan kalo diliat di task manager jadi ada 5 process yang jalan...



Karena baru pertama kali nyoba gw belum tau hasil dan berapa cepet untuk selesaiin satu project.
yang gw seneng sih project pertama yang gw dapet adalah project

p2652_P2650

33529

3.00

3.00

1148.00

100

GRO-SMP

lumayan gede poinnya.

Buat bro yang lain yang punya computer multicore coba deh giling pake smp client ini dan laporkan hasilnya di thread ini, kita bagi bagi pengalaman.

Sbg catatan, menurut sitenya saat ini smp client baru bisa giling gromacs family project belum bisa project yang lain spt tinker atau amber, dan belum bisa dijalanin sbg service.

btw keep folding bro....

Yang Harus diperhatikan :

Bugs dan Issue yang sudah diketahui
1. Core butuh waktu (kadang > 4 menit) antar work unit untuk selesai
2. Terkadang log file terlihat aneh ketika process multiple thread
3. Client u/t linux (terkadang client OSX) tidak benar mendeteksi RAM lebih dari 2 GB. Kalau terjadi Set RAM di config secara manual
4. Core akan mencetak "No option -tpi" 4 kali pada saat memulai process
5. Setelah selesai, directory work masih akan tertinggal bbrp files.

Notes Untuk Memulai

1. Sangat disarankan untuk menjalankan SMP Client ini di computer quad core. Jika jalan di dual core masih ditemukan beberapa masalah.
2. Kebanyakan SMP WU adalah "BIG WU" jadi dalam config hrs di allow pilihan "work results greater than 5 MB"
3.Akan ada jeda waktu (15-20 detik) di akhir setiap WU. Ini bukan bug, tpi prosess sinkronisasi antar trhread sebelum pindah ke WU selanjutnya
4. SMP Core membutuhkan SSE. Jadi sebaiknya waktu menjalankan SMP Client diset flag -foreceasm
5. The linux client is a 32-bit executable, as we are planning on using a single client binary for SMP and non-SMP. However, this means that 64-bit linux distros will need to have 32-bit ELF support enabled. (tlg terjemahin dong)
6. Jika pada saat koneksi ke stamford mendapatkan error spt ini
[06:58:06] + Attempting to get work packet
[06:58:06] - Connecting to assignment server
[06:58:07] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[06:58:07] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[06:58:07] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[06:58:07] - Error: Attempt #2 to get work failed, and no other work to do.
jangan panik ini biasanya karena server sedang kehabisan WU, jadi coba lagi dilain waktu..

ini gw ambil dari faqnya dan terjemahannya mungkin salah jadi tlg di koreksi

Berikut sedikit petunjuk untuk giling SMP Client scr offline
Setelah download file wunya dikantor kemudian dicopy di flashdisk atau external hardisk, bawa file tsb ke komputer offline dan jalankan langkas sbb:

1. Login sbg Administrator
2. Install .Net Framework 2.o
3. Install Folding@home Windows SMP Client
4. Jalanin Install.bat dan muncul 2 baris MPI
5. Copy WU file yang sudah di donlot dari kantor
6. Jalanin Fah.exe



List SMP Folder

1. Tamaboy
2. Hitman
3. Oneeqi
4. Lancihp
5. Mauriek
6. Redwood
7. Nut51
8. Espmask

Perbandingan process SMP Client dgn bbrp platform

from F@h forum

Machine.....clients..CPU_Type.........GHz...Cores. ..w/HT...L2......RAM....2610...2651...2652 beast.......1........C2Q_QX6700.......3.42..4..... ..4......4mbx2...2gb....7.00...8.25...7.00 juggernaut..1........Xeon_X5355.......2.66..8..... ..8......4mbx4...4gb....7.50.............. juggernaut..2........Xeon_X5355.......2.66..8..... ..8......4mbx4...4gb...10.00..........9.50 apocalypse..1........Xeon_5060........3.20..4..... ..4......2mbx2...4gb...14.00.............. banshee.....1........C2D_E6600........2.40..2..... ..2......4mbx1...1gb...15.50.........15.25 juggernaut..3........Xeon_X5355.......2.66..8..... ..8......4mbx4...4gb...16.50..15.50..13.75 apocalypse..1........Xeon_5060........3.20..4..... ..8......2mbx2...4gb...21.00.............. wolverine...1........Pentium_D_950....3.40..2..... ..2......2mbx2...1gb...22.50..25.00....... apocalypse..2........Xeon_5060........3.20..4..... ..8......2mbx2...4gb...23.00..26.00..22.00 colossus....1........Pentium_D_940....3.20..2..... ..2......2mbx2...1gb...23.50..27.00..23.50 magneto.....1........Pentium_D_930....3.00..2..... ..2......2mbx2...1gb...24.50..28.50....... polaris.....1........Pentium_D_820....2.80..2..... ..2......1mbx2...1gb...40.00.........25.50 quicksilver.1........Athlon_X2_4800+..2.40..2..... ..2......1mbx2...1gb...41.00.........20.50 rogue.......1........Athlon_X2_4200+..2.20..2..... ..2.....512kx2...1gb...44.50..29.50.......

from Oneeqi (thx )

[Alunkkk]

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@Tamaboy:
kalo proc dual core jalanin fold nya bukan di #SMP CLIENT ini / 5.91 beta gimana bro efeknya?
apakah akan berpengaruh pada score,dll?
soalnya gw jalanin fold pake PD805 OC 3.20 pake F@H Console 5.01 beta..

[tamaboy]

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Ngga' ada pengaruhnya bro...
untuk score dll sama aja.

mungkin lebih pengaruh di speednya deh kalo menurut faq di sitenya spt ini

" Moreover, the SMP and GPU clients are complementary. The GPU client can greatly (~30x) speed up a specific type of calculation (implicit solvent calculations), whereas the SMP client can lead to a 4x speed up over the complete range of calculations we need to run. Even a 4x speed up is significant here, since it affects virtually all types of FAH calculations, turning a year's worth of work into a few months. As multi-core CPUs become more common, we expect this trend to become more and more important, especially as 8-core boxes (with dual 4-core CPUs) have already been announced."


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hasil terjemahan bro great_ww

Terlebih lagi, cientSMP dan GPU sama-sama saling melengkapi. Client GPU bisa mempercepat (-30x) jenis perhitungan tertentu (perhitungan penyelesaian secara implisit), sementara itu client SMP bisa mempercepat sampai 4 x pada sederetan perhitungan yang ingin kita jalankan. Bahkan peningkatan kecepatan 4x bisa sangat signifikan di sin karena mempengaruh hampir semya jenis perhitungan FAH, sehingga mengubah pekerjaan yang sebelumnya membutuhkan waktu bertahunt-tahun menjadi hanya dalam beberapa bulan. Ketika CPU berinti banyak telah menjadi jamak, kami mengharapkan trend ini menjadi jauh lebih penting, khususnya pada sistem 8 inti (dengan dua CPU 4 inti) yang telah beredar di pasaran…..





krn kalo fold pake fahxxx-console yang kerja untuk satu project hanya satu core aja, sedangkan kalo pake smp client yang proces bisa dua atau lebih core untuk satu projectnya.


Ternyata error yang gw dapet sebelumnya karena ini ...

If a server with SMP WU's is not available or is overloaded, the client will be assigned to 0.0.0.0, which tells the client to wait and try again. As more SMP servers come on line, this won't be an issue, but during the beta test, we want to keep the SMP clients crunching SMP WU's.

karena wu-nya habis...

[Alunkkk]

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Ngga' ada pengaruhnya bro...
untuk score dll sama aja.

mungkin lebih pengaruh di speednya deh kalo menurut faq di sitenya spt ini

" Moreover, the SMP and GPU clients are complementary. The GPU client can greatly (~30x) speed up a specific type of calculation (implicit solvent calculations), whereas the SMP client can lead to a 4x speed up over the complete range of calculations we need to run. Even a 4x speed up is significant here, since it affects virtually all types of FAH calculations, turning a year's worth of work into a few months. As multi-core CPUs become more common, we expect this trend to become more and more important, especially as 8-core boxes (with dual 4-core CPUs) have already been announced."

gw juga ngga' ngerti apa maksudnya krn keterbatasan bahasa gw..

kalo speed nya bisa lebih cepet dari yang biasanya wajib di coba ini..
lumayan yang harus nya 2 hari bisa berkurang..
jadi bisa giling lebih banyak WU dalam waktu yang singkat..


mungkin dengan dibuatnya program F@H baru ini,
bertujuan untuk menyesuaikan keadaan sekarang ini...
yaitu tren Multi Core Processors yang semakin berkembang..
jadi dibuatlah versi SMP Client ini agar bener² support Multi Core..
selain itu juga bisa mempercepat proses kerja nya / mengoptimalkan Folding di multicore..
mungkin begitu pengertinnya..
CMIIW..

krn kalo fold pake fahxxx-console yang kerja untuk satu project hanya satu core aja, sedangkan kalo pake smp client yang proces bisa dua atau lebih core untuk satu projectnya.

jadi kita cuma buka 1 prog F@H saja maksudnya bro?
kalo pake yang versi biasa kan harus buka lebih dari 1 prog F@H nya..
cont: F@H 1, F@H 2, dst....
CMIIW lagi..

Ternyata error yang gw dapet sebelumnya karena ini ...

If a server with SMP WU's is not available or is overloaded, the client will be assigned to 0.0.0.0, which tells the client to wait and try again. As more SMP servers come on line, this won't be an issue, but during the beta test, we want to keep the SMP clients crunching SMP WU's.

karena wu-nya habis...

Oo..WU habis toh..
kalau sudah dapat WU, dan sudah dalam proses..
tolong post hasil nya yah bro..
apakah hasil nya sama saja dengan menggunakan versi sebelumnya ataukah benar dengan pernyataan FAQ yang bro dapat di F@H sitenya..
semoga sukses..

[oneeqi]

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Pada awalnya F@H SMP diperuntukkan bagi sistem dengan 4 procie, tapi ternyata sistem dengan 2 procie jg dapat menggiling dengan waktu yg cukup singkat.
Sangat disarankan klo mau make F@H SMP harus pake komputer yg memang didedikasikan buat F@H aja, karena rentang waktu penyelesaian-nya yg singkat, dimana project 2610 dan 2651 harus selesai dalam waktu 4 hari, sedangkan 2652 harus selesai dalam waktu 3 hari.
Untuk bro tamaboy dan Alunkkk, selamat icip2 F@H SMP yak

[zungkono]

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wah pada punya dualcore, bikin ngiler aja

[nut581]

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syarat biar sukses giling pake dualcore:

1. mesin harus pake X2 ato Pentium D keatas biar bisa selesai sebelon deadline.
2. mesin harus folding 24/7 karena deadline yang mepet2x (rata2x 3 ato 4 hari aja)
3. inet harus gede, krn hasil gilingannya rata2x diatas 26mb

kalo ke-3 syarat diatas terpenuhi, sangat2xlah dianjurkan buat jalanin winSMP dibanding client biasa, krn PPD jelas2x akan naik minimal 2x lipat

(saya contohnya, waktu pake client biasa n jalanin 2 proses di coreduo e2300, rata2x PPD 200-an ... begitu pake winSMP client, langsung terbang, minimal 600-an).

[espmask]

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mau nya naik 2x lipat ; sdh 1/2 hari berjalan ada error di smp client padahal sdh 40%an berjalan

[03:42:04] Warning: long 1-4 interactions
[06:39:35] At least 3 hours since checkpoint written...
[06:41:35]
[06:41:35] Folding@home Core Shutdown: EARLY_UNIT_END
[06:41:35]
[06:41:35] Folding@home Core Shutdown: EARLY_UNIT_END
[06:41:42] CoreStatus = 7B (123)
[06:41:42] Client-core communications error: ERROR 0x7b
[06:41:42] Deleting current work unit & continuing...

sblm2xnya ngga pernah kena EUE

[Hitman2001]

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Have similar problem with WinSMP before... Ntar aku cariin lognya deh... Errornya bukan EUE, tapi apa gitu...

[Alunkkk]

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nah itu dia gw juga pernah keluar tulisan :
Folding@home Core Shutdown: EARLY_UNIT_END
itu maksudnya apaan yah? error?